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james Gordon had a great comparable; Wade Redden. A once-good player who can no longer keep up, who's skills are eroding and they won't get any better. except, we are the rangers in this circumstance.  



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ok.....(deep breath)

 

I think its awful. Yes, we dump 3 years of bad contracts with greening and cowen, but we take on 5 years of probably the worst contract in the league. Everyone, including media who had NOTHING good to say about phagoof yesterday, is now saying he's a good 3/4 Dman, good enough for any nhl team. i don't believe that for a second. I think he's an awful, turn-over machine. I don't think he's going to make much of a difference at all right now, or down the road, and he's a salary anchor for the next 5 years.

And all this leadership MSM is talking about; what leadership!? what did his leadership accomplish in T.O.? Where is any evidence of any leadership? He was a complete failure as a leader in stinktown.

Its not all bad in that we didn't give up any current players ( 9mm, i know, but he's hurt so often, its like he was not really a player, anyways.Too bad cause I liked him. I feel bad he has to go to that wreck of a team.) Lindberg, we'll have to see, as well as that 2nd rounder. From what I've seen, though, none of the prospects we got are projected to be nhl players. So, all we got is a past his prime pylon, who his peers called the most over-rated player in the league. 

Back to the ottawa MSM blowing sunshine up our asses over this. This smells so much like a Ottawa Senators PR memo. The radio did nothing but tell us how good phagoof will be when they never had anything good to say about him before, including dean brown, who has always been rough on dion. I totally believe the sens got all the media onboard for this, knowing it would not be a popular move with fans. I'm sure they directed everyone to sell this to the fans. TSN 1200 read nothing but good emails and only took positive callers all day. that was a turd polishing of epic proportions today.

Is part of my venom because he's phagoof of the laffs? you bet. I can't let that. but he's also a bad player with an awful contract. he will not fix this team.

 



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I guess Phaneuf is probably an upgrade over Cowen. But 7 million is a lot of for a number 4 or 5 guy. And I would be a lot more comfortable if his contract was for 3 years and not 5. However I guess when you subtract 9mm, Cowen and Greening's salaries, it's not a big jump in cost over the first year or two. Just hope that a couple of years down the road, his contract doesn't mean that we can't sign some of our younger guys who's contracts will be coming for renewal.



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I'm honestly still not sure what I think. I'm not sure it's really sunk in yet.

Phaneuf could stabilize our 2nd D pairing. I don't hate the guy... I just don't think he's ever going to be that guy he was for the first couple of years of his career again.

Hate losing 9MM. Not that he was actually ON the ice that much these days, but he was always a good character guy, and seemed to give the team a boost.

THRILLED to be rid of Cowen. Seriously never thought that would happen.

I just don't know how I feel about all of this.

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So on to Phaneuf (moving the discussion here rather than the Around the NHL thread).

First glance at the trade = WTF Murray, I'm tired of defending you.  furious

 

Having a bit to process it, I'm fine with it.

- A $7 million per cap hit for 5 more seasons is probably less term and money than it would take to sign a comparable UFA to fill the left side hole.

- His contract is back diving with salary of 7.5, 7.0, 6.5, 6.5, 5.5.  So even less than a UFA.

- Despite our hate as part of the Legion of Smurf Poo he is still a steady, solid #3 (not a #1 like he's been miscast in Toronto).

- He gets the Coach MacArthur seal of approval.  Remember how much we hated Ruutu on the Pens and loved him when he was our pest?

- Now any intention of rushing Chabot should be killed and he can be properly developed

- The whole Melnyk will never spend money on the team myth gets another dagger through the heart.  I still can't believe people cling to this farce.  no

- Finally, he is a perfect candidate for the Sens non-protected player list for the inevitable expansion draft.  biggrin

 

So be it.  The player, stats, contract, and everything else would be palatable if his name wasn't Pha-goof.



-- Edited by Agent Orange on Tuesday 9th of February 2016 09:05:47 PM

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Agent Orange wrote:
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Neil's 1,000th was against the Devils, wasn't it? The Geordie Howe hat trick game? I'm totally good with 1 year, same money. He's deserved it & should be able to do the same next year. Question is, have they talked to Hoffman at all?


 Currently at 943 games with salary at $1.5.


 Ah!  Game 900.  right.



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Pan wrote:

Neil's 1,000th was against the Devils, wasn't it? The Geordie Howe hat trick game? I'm totally good with 1 year, same money. He's deserved it & should be able to do the same next year. Question is, have they talked to Hoffman at all?


 Currently at 943 games with salary at $1.5.



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Pan wrote:

Neil's 1,000th was against the Devils, wasn't it? The Geordie Howe hat trick game? I'm totally good with 1 year, same money. He's deserved it & should be able to do the same next year. Question is, have they talked to Hoffman at all?


 Why would they speak w Hoffman they are a budget team blah blah blah........



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Neil's 1,000th was against the Devils, wasn't it? The Geordie Howe hat trick game? I'm totally good with 1 year, same money. He's deserved it & should be able to do the same next year. Question is, have they talked to Hoffman at all?

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And here we thought the All Star Break would be a time for the keyboard warriors and armchair GMs to relax.

Nope.  A shiny new nugget for them to whinge and whine over.

 

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Les négociations entourant le renouvellement du contrat de Chris Neil pourraient débuter sous peu

 

I'm sure offering Neil a 1 year $1-1.3 million dollar contract to get to 1000 games as a 13th forward is not going to cripple this team. evileye



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I've always thought that Rutherford was one of the most overrated GMs in hockey. He has had some short term success but always spends a fortune and ends up leaving the team in a mess with few assets when he's booted.



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Yes, but Perron's contract ends at the end of this season. Hagelin's cap hit is $4 which is not good for the Pens because they have cap issues with only 8 forwards, 4 D, and 1G signed for next season with a raise for Maata and a mediocre prospect pool to replace the cheap contracts that are expiring.

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Hagelin is $4, 3.6, 3.6, 3.6. The coach knows him well as he had him with the NYR, and it's the same money as Perron (which was a terrible deal)

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Anaheim just traded Hagelin to Penguins for Perron & Clendening. Of course this happens after Hagelin killed the Sens. Good fit for Penguins. LW that has a scoring touch & should fit well with either Malkin or Crosby. They gave up a young depth D in this deal....I wonder if they're willing to move their first rounder for another defenceman who can start a play but from the left side ;) Pit is in the race with us, so I guess we'll wait and see what our fantastic GM decides to do while everyone around us is tweaking things.


Hagelin has a terrible contract, and Rutherford is a terrible GM.  The Murray hate is getting ridiculous.

 

The only interesting part of that move is that it adds another NHL D to Anaheim's back line. They need to move one and I don't think it'll be for Drouin.



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I somewhat agree with AO on this but I think he's being a little harsh on Ceci. I think he's good. Not terrible, but not great, and in typical Sens form, dramatically overvalued because he's local (which is a great heartfelt story). HOWEVER, I'm going to agree with Kardinal on this :O We just don't need a player like that at this point. Improving the D corps should be the top (and only) priority at this time. Wideman for Drouin is lunacy as Wideman is probably worth a 3rd round pick at best, so other teams have better offers. My argument: if Ceci is so great, why not get him a partner to play with outside of Wiercioch if he's so great? Methot should be with EK the majority of the time so that's the gap to fill.


 I should note that I am not being hard on Ceci.  I like Ceci and considering him untouchable except for a massive overpayment.  That section of the post is a purely sarcastic/mocking portrayal of some of the idiocy that has been spouted out about Ceci.

And that's the problem why Ceci hasn't developed as properly as he could have been.  He was rushed to the NHL because he was simply better than the D already on the roster at the time.  That necessarily isn't the worst that could happen.  What has killed his development has been being forced to drag along and cover for the disaster on his left side, be it Wiercioch or Cowen.  Methot is helping him stabilize his game, so another top 4 D is definitely a need.

Fix the D and the offense will stabilize.



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Anaheim just traded Hagelin to Penguins for Perron & Clendening. Of course this happens after Hagelin killed the Sens. Good fit for Penguins. LW that has a scoring touch & should fit well with either Malkin or Crosby. They gave up a young depth D in this deal....I wonder if they're willing to move their first rounder for another defenceman who can start a play but from the left side ;) Pit is in the race with us, so I guess we'll wait and see what our fantastic GM decides to do while everyone around us is tweaking things.

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I somewhat agree with AO on this but I think he's being a little harsh on Ceci. I think he's good. Not terrible, but not great, and in typical Sens form, dramatically overvalued because he's local (which is a great heartfelt story). HOWEVER, I'm going to agree with Kardinal on this :O We just don't need a player like that at this point. Improving the D corps should be the top (and only) priority at this time. Wideman for Drouin is lunacy as Wideman is probably worth a 3rd round pick at best, so other teams have better offers. My argument: if Ceci is so great, why not get him a partner to play with outside of Wiercioch if he's so great? Methot should be with EK the majority of the time so that's the gap to fill.

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Spezzial-Delivery wrote:

No one wants to get rid of Anderson anymore? Ha ha

(I guess we traded Lehner)


 Anderson for Ramo and Brodie.  wink



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No one wants to get rid of Anderson anymore? Ha ha

(I guess we traded Lehner)



 
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